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		<title>By: Henry Troup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Troup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5, Interesting. Line 5050 has total of $698,775 and the 10 listed add to $292,064, so there&#039;s lots of room for a sizable transfer to not be listed. Thanks for the hint.  I couldn&#039;t find a full financial statement for PWRDF on their website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5, Interesting. Line 5050 has total of $698,775 and the 10 listed add to $292,064, so there&#8217;s lots of room for a sizable transfer to not be listed. Thanks for the hint.  I couldn&#8217;t find a full financial statement for PWRDF on their website.</p>
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		<title>By: stuck in Toronto</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuck in Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5 the difference between being liberal and liberal baffle gab is not who is speaking but what is being said!  
&quot;When an attempt is made to intermingle politics and Christianity BaffleGab is the only possible result&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5 the difference between being liberal and liberal baffle gab is not who is speaking but what is being said!<br />
&#8220;When an attempt is made to intermingle politics and Christianity BaffleGab is the only possible result&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian DeVisser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian DeVisser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eph 3:20,

 I think Bill&#039;s comment about those three things and their relation to liberal Christianity is because those phrases are trendy and hip in those circles.  In liberal Christianity those things are ends in themselves and the motive is the inherent goodness of those things. I&#039;m guessing Bill does not in fact want to ruin the environment, abuse other people and keep people poor (going out on a limb there though). I think in evangelical Christianity one would have to say that the motive behind these is the command of God and a love for people which stems from the love we receive from God in Christ. I think the difference between the liberals and evangelicals in this is on the priority and motives.  As an example, I took a class at a liberal seminary where the professor taught that &#039;The Good News&#039; to the poor and hungry is the chance for food and wealth (or at least an escape of poverty). While I agree that to the poor or hungry food and an escape from poverty is news that is good, it is hardly to be confused with the Gospel, which is so much more. 

your fellow unworthy servant in Christ,
Brian DeVisser</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Eph+3%3A20" class="bibleref" title="ESV Eph 3:20">Eph 3:20</a>,</p>
<p> I think Bill&#8217;s comment about those three things and their relation to liberal Christianity is because those phrases are trendy and hip in those circles.  In liberal Christianity those things are ends in themselves and the motive is the inherent goodness of those things. I&#8217;m guessing Bill does not in fact want to ruin the environment, abuse other people and keep people poor (going out on a limb there though). I think in evangelical Christianity one would have to say that the motive behind these is the command of God and a love for people which stems from the love we receive from God in Christ. I think the difference between the liberals and evangelicals in this is on the priority and motives.  As an example, I took a class at a liberal seminary where the professor taught that &#8216;The Good News&#8217; to the poor and hungry is the chance for food and wealth (or at least an escape of poverty). While I agree that to the poor or hungry food and an escape from poverty is news that is good, it is hardly to be confused with the Gospel, which is so much more. </p>
<p>your fellow unworthy servant in Christ,<br />
Brian DeVisser</p>
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		<title>By: Eph 3:20</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eph 3:20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill &amp; Henry,

Be careful reading T3010&#039;s.  They are not exhaustive.  You are only required to put in up to ten designated recipients.

Also to Bill,  if you equate eco-justice, human rights and ending poverty excluviely to the liberal church then I guess Christ himself must have been a liberal.  I suggest you read Matthew 25 sometime, unless you consider that to be liberal baffle gab.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill &amp; Henry,</p>
<p>Be careful reading T3010&#8242;s.  They are not exhaustive.  You are only required to put in up to ten designated recipients.</p>
<p>Also to Bill,  if you equate eco-justice, human rights and ending poverty excluviely to the liberal church then I guess Christ himself must have been a liberal.  I suggest you read <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Matthew+25" class="bibleref" title="ESV Matthew 25">Matthew 25</a> sometime, unless you consider that to be liberal baffle gab.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in Ottawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill in Ottawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s interesting, because Kairos lists both the ACoC and PWRDF as sponsoring partners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s interesting, because Kairos lists both the ACoC and PWRDF as sponsoring partners.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Troup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Troup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill in Ottawa, I read PWRDF&#039;s T3010 form, and as far as I can see at the Qualified Donees list (I won&#039;t post the link, cause it&#039;s ridiculously long, but PWRDF&#039;s number is 8664 34640 RR0001) PWRDF did not give money to KAIROS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill in Ottawa, I read PWRDF&#8217;s T3010 form, and as far as I can see at the Qualified Donees list (I won&#8217;t post the link, cause it&#8217;s ridiculously long, but PWRDF&#8217;s number is 8664 34640 RR0001) PWRDF did not give money to KAIROS.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in Ottawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill in Ottawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick scan of KAIROS web site shows themes that are consistent with the liberal church agenda:
Eco-justice
Human rights
Ending poverty

http://kairoscanada.org/en/

The &quot;who we are&quot; link shows their Canadian and overseas partners. Lots of admirable goals with the &quot;ending poverty&quot; goal seemingly congruent with CIDA&#039;s mandate. There is a link to a briefing note that argues that KAIROS did not spend any CIDA money on social justice issues. 

If I were a member of the ACoC or a contributor to the PWRDF I would be asking that mission funds be redirected to a more Gospel based mission and away from a group like KAIROS which has a fairly obvious political agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick scan of KAIROS web site shows themes that are consistent with the liberal church agenda:<br />
Eco-justice<br />
Human rights<br />
Ending poverty</p>
<p><a href="http://kairoscanada.org/en/" rel="nofollow">http://kairoscanada.org/en/</a></p>
<p>The &#8220;who we are&#8221; link shows their Canadian and overseas partners. Lots of admirable goals with the &#8220;ending poverty&#8221; goal seemingly congruent with CIDA&#8217;s mandate. There is a link to a briefing note that argues that KAIROS did not spend any CIDA money on social justice issues. </p>
<p>If I were a member of the ACoC or a contributor to the PWRDF I would be asking that mission funds be redirected to a more Gospel based mission and away from a group like KAIROS which has a fairly obvious political agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: stuck in Toronto</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuck in Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think congratulations are in order to Peter.  It does not hurt to &quot;swim in the deep end&quot; once in awhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think congratulations are in order to Peter.  It does not hurt to &#8220;swim in the deep end&#8221; once in awhile.</p>
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