Comments on: Bishops recommend Anglican Covenant ‘for consideration’ by General Synod

By: stuck in Toronto

stuck in Toronto — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:06:47 +0000

#8 Not, nice try though.

By: Warren

Warren — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:14:11 +0000

In #1, Stuck said:

Proposed: The body of Christ is not a democracy. Member Institutions are not Democratic.
Resolved? All motions, Edicts, Contracts, Ecclesiastical direction, Orders, Bulls, (oops) Articles, and Canons MUST be unanimous.

If your proposed motion made it to Synod, but only received 99% approval, can I assume, in the interest of consistency, that you would consider it defeated?

By: stuck in Toronto

stuck in Toronto — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:13:51 +0000

Thank you Brian, any relation to my childhood Priest the Reverend Norman Ellis?

OK Synod Members – any three of you care to discuss this with me, my E-Mail is available from the Blog team. Obviously I’m not a Synod member and my current ANiC church plant hasn’t got one Yet either.
PS in addition to my proposition in #s 1&2 I would suggest that a synod motion have a three year shelf life if it doesn’t pass the first year (Unanimously of course) it goes for a year of prayerfull consideration, and is tabled at the next Synod. Failing that a small committee could be struck the numbers and persons based on and coinciding with the % of the failed vote. Could grapple and attempt a consensus if so they can then present there findings to the third synod. A third vote is taken if passed unanimously OK if Hung like the synod committee its destroyed. (the motion not the committee)
such as it is that’s what I have come up with to answer the scriptural call to likemindedness. God Bless

By: Brian Ellis

Brian Ellis — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:06:02 +0000

For Stuck

As the Lay Secretary of Synod I can tell you that any member of the Synod is permitted to propose any motion that they wish. Of course it will be considered by the Resolutions Committee to make sure that the motion does not violate the Constitution and is in proper form. Synod members can send in a Notice of Motion at anytime prior to the Synod as long as it is moved and seconded by persons who are members of the Synod and will be present at the meeting. They can be sent to the Secretaries of Synod at registrar@anglicannetwork.ca.

By: Winter Traveler

Winter Traveler — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:01:02 +0000

Am I correct in assuming that if everyone eventually becomes signatories to the Covenant, then the expectation is that we will then all be back in full communion with each other?
The more I understand what the Covent is, and what it is not, the more I am convinced that everyone, on both sides of the “issue”, will be able to sign on and continue along their present course with no substantial ramifications to either side, whatsoever. What a collossal waste of time.

By: Kate

Kate — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:38:32 +0000

I think we would have women’s ordination if the covenant had been in place, because it is possible to defend it biblically.

By: David

David — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:52:42 +0000

Stuck [#2],
I suspect it would have to go through your ANiC parish’s lay delegates.

By: stuck in Toronto

stuck in Toronto — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:48:32 +0000

OK lets be fair, Rome wasn’t built in a day. – Italy was, but that’s another story. Lets soften my proposed resolution, to Synod motions alone. Can anyone direct me to understanding how to get a motion onto the floor of ANiC’s next (no doubt) wonderful annual Synod in Ottawa. If you are in agreement (likemindedness ) and have greater understanding of these things than I (that shouldn’t be to difficult) perhaps you could help. Wait I have an idea, Dear Blog Masters if YOU are in agreement how about an on Blog petition?

By: stuck in Toronto

stuck in Toronto — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:28:00 +0000

Bish Bird has finally hit the hammer on the head with the nail.

“central focus is the creation of a shared mind around particular issues.” He asked, “When has that been the central focus of the Anglican Church? What would this have meant for the ordination of women? Would we be celebrating the ordination of women if this Covenant was in place?”

I just 5 minutes ago after considerable research I quoted scripture in an earlier stream. I do so again – with gleeful joy.

“For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus”

In fact now that I have calmed down abit I think the Bish is telling the truth. Whether or not we would today have WO is an unknown but What I do know, with or without WO had the decision been made with likemindedness we would not have had the schism we experienced. Going forward, with likemindedness we certainly would not be acknowledging and supporting sinners sins. And looking back it is my fervent contention, again with likemindedness, we would have NEVER experienced any schism and that includes the big one of 1056. What does all this mean?

NOTE TO OUR NEW DEAN, AND ALL THE ANGLICAN HOUSES OF BISHOPS, THE ABC AND ALL CLERGY WHO CALL THEMSELVES ANGLICAN. (Yes you to Brother Kieth)

Proposed: The body of Christ is not a democracy. Member Institutions are not Democratic.
Resolved? All motions, Edicts, Contracts, Ecclesiastical direction, Orders, Bulls, (oops) Articles, and Canons MUST be unanimous.