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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This morning, our pastor observed on the world&#039;s reaction to Christianity&#039;s exclusive truth claims - including Christ being the only way to the Father - by pointing to the hostile reaction to Brit Hume&#039;s recent comments on Fox News.  Our society will tolerate almost anything; except that which it perceives to be intolerance.  The idea of an all powerful and holy God, who created the universe, and who sets the terms by which His creation can be in right relationship with Him, is repugnant to the post-modern mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This morning, our pastor observed on the world&#8217;s reaction to Christianity&#8217;s exclusive truth claims &#8211; including Christ being the only way to the Father &#8211; by pointing to the hostile reaction to Brit Hume&#8217;s recent comments on Fox News.  Our society will tolerate almost anything; except that which it perceives to be intolerance.  The idea of an all powerful and holy God, who created the universe, and who sets the terms by which His creation can be in right relationship with Him, is repugnant to the post-modern mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read all his books, they are marvelous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read all his books, they are marvelous.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Redcrosse Knight&#039;s recommendation of Tim Keller&#039;s book.  Although aimed at skeptics and doubters, it&#039;s a worthwhile read for mature Christians as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Redcrosse Knight&#8217;s recommendation of Tim Keller&#8217;s book.  Although aimed at skeptics and doubters, it&#8217;s a worthwhile read for mature Christians as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Redcrosse Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redcrosse Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eph3:20,

You recognize, I hope, that your declamation -- that &quot;One may only get to the Father through Jesus but there are penultimate ways to do that&quot; -- is itself a truth claim, as exclusive and dogmatic as the orthodox Christian claims you (apparently) reject?  

Can you see how you&#039;ve done the very thing you accuse others of, which by your own definition is &quot;highly presumptive and offensive,&quot; by making a definitive claim to know the mind and will of God?

As for your claim that the history of mysticism somehow contradicts Christian teaching, I beg to differ.  No less an authority on the matter than Evelyn Underhill distinguishes between the &#039;direct intuition or experience of God&#039;, unmediated and available to everyone because this aspect of God is inherent in creation, and &#039;Mystic Union&#039;, which is Christocentric and historically achieved only by faithful and orthodox sons and daughters of the Church.  Underhill further distinguishes mystical union from soteriological union.

I&#039;d like to recommend Timothy Keller&#039;s book (and website) to you, *The Reason For God*:
http://www.thereasonforgod.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eph3:20,</p>
<p>You recognize, I hope, that your declamation &#8212; that &#8220;One may only get to the Father through Jesus but there are penultimate ways to do that&#8221; &#8212; is itself a truth claim, as exclusive and dogmatic as the orthodox Christian claims you (apparently) reject?  </p>
<p>Can you see how you&#8217;ve done the very thing you accuse others of, which by your own definition is &#8220;highly presumptive and offensive,&#8221; by making a definitive claim to know the mind and will of God?</p>
<p>As for your claim that the history of mysticism somehow contradicts Christian teaching, I beg to differ.  No less an authority on the matter than Evelyn Underhill distinguishes between the &#8216;direct intuition or experience of God&#8217;, unmediated and available to everyone because this aspect of God is inherent in creation, and &#8216;Mystic Union&#8217;, which is Christocentric and historically achieved only by faithful and orthodox sons and daughters of the Church.  Underhill further distinguishes mystical union from soteriological union.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to recommend Timothy Keller&#8217;s book (and website) to you, *The Reason For God*:<br />
<a href="http://www.thereasonforgod.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thereasonforgod.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 05:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve always had difficulty with the phrase “no one gets to the Father except through me.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m glad you brought this up.  We are too often distracted by issues such as same-sex blessings, when the the real issue - the one that has deeply corrupted western Anglicanism - is the trustworthiness of the Bible.  Is it truly God&#039;s inspired and infallible Word, or was it written by a bunch of well intentioned but fallible men?  Is Jesus really God?  Are all His words, as recorded in the Bible, to be trusted, or can we pick and choose as suits our personal world view?  Are we the judge of whether or not God&#039;s Word is true and to be wholly trusted, or do we humbly bow before it - as much as it may hurt our fleshly natures?

To suggest &lt;i&gt;that the Bible is not the inspired and infallible Word of God&lt;/i&gt; is eschtologically (sp) weak, naive and contrary to the history of mysticism that has engulfed the church for centuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’ve always had difficulty with the phrase “no one gets to the Father except through me.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you brought this up.  We are too often distracted by issues such as same-sex blessings, when the the real issue &#8211; the one that has deeply corrupted western Anglicanism &#8211; is the trustworthiness of the Bible.  Is it truly God&#8217;s inspired and infallible Word, or was it written by a bunch of well intentioned but fallible men?  Is Jesus really God?  Are all His words, as recorded in the Bible, to be trusted, or can we pick and choose as suits our personal world view?  Are we the judge of whether or not God&#8217;s Word is true and to be wholly trusted, or do we humbly bow before it &#8211; as much as it may hurt our fleshly natures?</p>
<p>To suggest <i>that the Bible is not the inspired and infallible Word of God</i> is eschtologically (sp) weak, naive and contrary to the history of mysticism that has engulfed the church for centuries.</p>
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		<title>By: Eph3:20</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eph3:20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 02:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always had difficulty with the phrase &quot;no one gets to the Father except through me.&quot;  Can someone tell me definitively what this means?  Does this reference salvation? Getting in to heaven? Experiencing pure bliss?  If someone is not a Christian can they get to the Father?  I think it highly presumptive and offensive to definitively assume that you know the mind and will of God.  Nothing is impossible with God.  To suggest there is only one way to God is eschtologically (sp) weak, naive and contrary to the history of mysticism that has engulfed the church for centuries.  One may only get to the Father through Jesus but there are penultimate ways to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always had difficulty with the phrase &#8220;no one gets to the Father except through me.&#8221;  Can someone tell me definitively what this means?  Does this reference salvation? Getting in to heaven? Experiencing pure bliss?  If someone is not a Christian can they get to the Father?  I think it highly presumptive and offensive to definitively assume that you know the mind and will of God.  Nothing is impossible with God.  To suggest there is only one way to God is eschtologically (sp) weak, naive and contrary to the history of mysticism that has engulfed the church for centuries.  One may only get to the Father through Jesus but there are penultimate ways to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11  You would have a point if the structure of the Anglican Church of Canada was still authentically Christian (Note, I am saying structure, not individual people).  I don&#039;t believe that it is, or else why hasn&#039;t +Ingham been disciplined for saying that Jesus isn&#039;t the only way to the Father?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11  You would have a point if the structure of the Anglican Church of Canada was still authentically Christian (Note, I am saying structure, not individual people).  I don&#8217;t believe that it is, or else why hasn&#8217;t +Ingham been disciplined for saying that Jesus isn&#8217;t the only way to the Father?</p>
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		<title>By: Redcrosse Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redcrosse Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gillian, 

I think your concern, both for displaced Anglicans and &#039;the historic manner of [the] faith,&#039; is misplaced.  Time will tell, however.  For all of us face a reckoning: 

...the rending pain of re-enactment
     Of all that you have done, and been; the shame
     Of motives late revealed, and the awareness
Of things ill done and done to others&#039; harm
     Which once you took for exercise of virtue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gillian, </p>
<p>I think your concern, both for displaced Anglicans and &#8216;the historic manner of [the] faith,&#8217; is misplaced.  Time will tell, however.  For all of us face a reckoning: </p>
<p>&#8230;the rending pain of re-enactment<br />
     Of all that you have done, and been; the shame<br />
     Of motives late revealed, and the awareness<br />
Of things ill done and done to others&#8217; harm<br />
     Which once you took for exercise of virtue.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eph3:20 [#11],
The splintering took place long before the New West parishes joined ANiC. It occurred when the diocese chose to ignore the majority of the Anglican communion and go its own way.

Whether or not ANiC becomes a “rump” only time will tell. Even if it does, for my part, I would rather be a member of a rump that is Christian than a diocese that is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eph3:20 [#11],<br />
The splintering took place long before the New West parishes joined ANiC. It occurred when the diocese chose to ignore the majority of the Anglican communion and go its own way.</p>
<p>Whether or not ANiC becomes a “rump” only time will tell. Even if it does, for my part, I would rather be a member of a rump that is Christian than a diocese that is not.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eph 3:20 [#12],
The legality of the building ownership won&#039;t be finally settled until either an appeal goes through or the parishes decide not to appeal.

However, if we assume that the diocese does end up as legal owner of the buildings, their entitlement to do what they like with them is a secular rather than a Christian one. 

In case you are in any doubt about how judgemental I am on this issue: if the diocese&#039;s intention is to sell the buildings - and it probably is - I believe that they will have acted in a thoroughly un-Christian - and despicable - manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Eph+3%3A20" class="bibleref" title="ESV Eph 3:20">Eph 3:20</a> [#12],<br />
The legality of the building ownership won&#8217;t be finally settled until either an appeal goes through or the parishes decide not to appeal.</p>
<p>However, if we assume that the diocese does end up as legal owner of the buildings, their entitlement to do what they like with them is a secular rather than a Christian one. </p>
<p>In case you are in any doubt about how judgemental I am on this issue: if the diocese&#8217;s intention is to sell the buildings &#8211; and it probably is &#8211; I believe that they will have acted in a thoroughly un-Christian &#8211; and despicable &#8211; manner.</p>
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