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		<title>By: Gerry O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noli #12:
&quot;I don’t think his attractions are really a matter of “defiance” because he would honestly prefer to be straight.&quot;

Please don&#039;t feel that I meant all are acts of defiance Noli.  No such intention to leave that inference.  I do feel that SOME enter into homosexuality and even moreso, Lesbianism as acts of defiance.

I agree with Warren, Pray for him as I am sure most who read this string will do.
Gerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noli #12:<br />
&#8220;I don’t think his attractions are really a matter of “defiance” because he would honestly prefer to be straight.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t feel that I meant all are acts of defiance Noli.  No such intention to leave that inference.  I do feel that SOME enter into homosexuality and even moreso, Lesbianism as acts of defiance.</p>
<p>I agree with Warren, Pray for him as I am sure most who read this string will do.<br />
Gerry</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>

&lt;blockquote&gt;I have to put up with much sullen moping around the house.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



ugh.  And for you (She said, as the parent of a teenager...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have to put up with much sullen moping around the house.</p></blockquote>
<p>ugh.  And for you (She said, as the parent of a teenager&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Pray for him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Will do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Pray for him.</p></blockquote>
<p>Will do.</p>
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		<title>By: Noli Aemulari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noli Aemulari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8 Warren

Thanks for the link. After reading the comments thread there, I actually find myself more pessimistic, but at least it’s evidence of mutability. My son says that sexual performance isn’t a problem with women but he falls in love only with men. I wonder if it was something in our parenting that caused this, but the usual theories don’t fit. I was never particularly absent as a father, and the split with my wife didn’t happen until years after this manifested. 

I don’t think his attractions are really a matter of “defiance” because he would honestly prefer to be straight. Hopefully he’ll be chaste now that his pal has dumped him after a year together, but I recall what it’s like at that age and now I have to put up with much sullen moping around the house. Pray for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8 Warren</p>
<p>Thanks for the link. After reading the comments thread there, I actually find myself more pessimistic, but at least it’s evidence of mutability. My son says that sexual performance isn’t a problem with women but he falls in love only with men. I wonder if it was something in our parenting that caused this, but the usual theories don’t fit. I was never particularly absent as a father, and the split with my wife didn’t happen until years after this manifested. </p>
<p>I don’t think his attractions are really a matter of “defiance” because he would honestly prefer to be straight. Hopefully he’ll be chaste now that his pal has dumped him after a year together, but I recall what it’s like at that age and now I have to put up with much sullen moping around the house. Pray for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate - Sorry.... I recognize that all of us are in sin.  I also recognize that some of us are trying to abide in the Word and are trying to turn from our sin(s) with Gods help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate &#8211; Sorry&#8230;. I recognize that all of us are in sin.  I also recognize that some of us are trying to abide in the Word and are trying to turn from our sin(s) with Gods help.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy, Gerry.  Charity, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy, Gerry.  Charity, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuck; #6 - Nope, haven&#039;t changed my mind on my thoughts on that one...... I&#039;m talking logic here if the LGBT crowd can understand logic! Which I rather doubt..however, worth the try.  As to whether or not I would pray that he be a Christian, of course I would that he would become a Christian, but not for the purpose of his paper being presented and accepted by those who are in sin with the LGBT crew.
Also, it is in Exodus and Deuteronomy:  Exodus 20:5
you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the &lt;b&gt;third and fourth generations&lt;/b&gt; of those who hate Me,
Have a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuck; #6 &#8211; Nope, haven&#8217;t changed my mind on my thoughts on that one&#8230;&#8230; I&#8217;m talking logic here if the LGBT crowd can understand logic! Which I rather doubt..however, worth the try.  As to whether or not I would pray that he be a Christian, of course I would that he would become a Christian, but not for the purpose of his paper being presented and accepted by those who are in sin with the LGBT crew.<br />
Also, it is in Exodus and Deuteronomy:  <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Exodus+20%3A5" class="bibleref" title="ESV Exodus 20:5">Exodus 20:5</a><br />
you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the <b>third and fourth generations</b> of those who hate Me,<br />
Have a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s more background and discussion on the study (some of the comments are quite interesting):

http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/08/09/jones-and-yarhouse-exodus-study-follow-up/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s more background and discussion on the study (some of the comments are quite interesting):</p>
<p><a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/08/09/jones-and-yarhouse-exodus-study-follow-up/" rel="nofollow">http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/08/09/jones-and-yarhouse-exodus-study-follow-up/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Noli Aemulari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noli Aemulari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Jones &amp; Yarhouse study reported in the National Post is posted online here:
http://wthrockmorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Jones-and-Yarhouse-Final.pdf

I read it with great interest on account of my son, who has struggled with homosexual attraction since his early teens.  

The 23% conversion rate among those who participated in the study suggests that change is at least possible. However, it&#039;s a fairly small sample (98 started but 26 dropped out along the way and are statistically excluded) so further work is needed to replicate the findings. I note that the study population was highly-motivated (91.8% identified themselves as &quot;born again&#039;). Also, the average participant was 37.5 years old, so most were at an age where sex drive is naturally tapering down anyway. Finally, conversion was generally incomplete. Most of the 23% who reported themselves converted to heterosexuality &quot;did not report themselves to be without experience of homosexual arousal, and they did not report their heterosexual orientation to be unequivocal and uncomplicated.&quot; It would be useful to extend the study to determine long-term recidivism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jones &amp; Yarhouse study reported in the National Post is posted online here:<br />
<a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Jones-and-Yarhouse-Final.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://wthrockmorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Jones-and-Yarhouse-Final.pdf</a></p>
<p>I read it with great interest on account of my son, who has struggled with homosexual attraction since his early teens.  </p>
<p>The 23% conversion rate among those who participated in the study suggests that change is at least possible. However, it&#8217;s a fairly small sample (98 started but 26 dropped out along the way and are statistically excluded) so further work is needed to replicate the findings. I note that the study population was highly-motivated (91.8% identified themselves as &#8220;born again&#8217;). Also, the average participant was 37.5 years old, so most were at an age where sex drive is naturally tapering down anyway. Finally, conversion was generally incomplete. Most of the 23% who reported themselves converted to heterosexuality &#8220;did not report themselves to be without experience of homosexual arousal, and they did not report their heterosexual orientation to be unequivocal and uncomplicated.&#8221; It would be useful to extend the study to determine long-term recidivism.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuck in Toronto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuck in Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my take on Homosexual orientation?  
  I don&#039;t believe it is a natural circumstance, I do believe there is the possibility of genetic disposition.  Not in the context of biological evolution but rather the First Commandment.  &quot;For the Lord thy God is a jealous God and visits the sins of the father&#039;s unto the fourth and fifth generation of them that hate me (from memory)&quot;  Actually now that I think of it this very well could be natural.
Gerry (#2 g&#039;day mate)- I pray he is Christian because his work is in direct defiance to the operational specs that certainly appear to be authored by loosefur.  in other words screwtape&#039;s letter to wormwood would be sort of like this  &quot;get that guy outta here&quot;.
I guess I could have said I&#039;d rather have a Christian &quot;marching as to war&quot;  Than a well intentioned person not washed in the protective blood of the lamb.
Hope this changes your mind Bro!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my take on Homosexual orientation?<br />
  I don&#8217;t believe it is a natural circumstance, I do believe there is the possibility of genetic disposition.  Not in the context of biological evolution but rather the First Commandment.  &#8220;For the Lord thy God is a jealous God and visits the sins of the father&#8217;s unto the fourth and fifth generation of them that hate me (from memory)&#8221;  Actually now that I think of it this very well could be natural.<br />
Gerry (#2 g&#8217;day mate)- I pray he is Christian because his work is in direct defiance to the operational specs that certainly appear to be authored by loosefur.  in other words screwtape&#8217;s letter to wormwood would be sort of like this  &#8220;get that guy outta here&#8221;.<br />
I guess I could have said I&#8217;d rather have a Christian &#8220;marching as to war&#8221;  Than a well intentioned person not washed in the protective blood of the lamb.<br />
Hope this changes your mind Bro!</p>
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