From Anglican Mainstream
Now he’s telling the council that he doesn’t want them to think that The Episcopal Church and Canada are pariahs – but that all are in the firing line. He feels that The Episcopal Church has behaved “graciously” unlike other members of the Communion.
Regarding the Covenant, he says the Church in Wales has problems with the Covenant and hasn’t adopted it. He says he is concerned that the current draft still has “punitive” clauses that encourages spying on one another.
He said that he would resist the founding of another province with every fiber of his body. He got a standing ovation for that one. He says it’s “total nonsense.” He says that if it’s possible for that to happen to The Episcopal Church, it’s possible for any of us, he says. He says he’s a minority in the primates.
Sounds like he might be a bit worried….
So if I understand this correctly, this Archbishop of Wales would rather have us Biblically Faithful Anglicans either:
1. Convert to another denomination, or
2. Stop going to Church altogether.
Too bad for him that none of these are acceptable options for us! The Anglican Church in North America (ACNA) is a reality, and if frankly doesn’t matter a tinker’s **** what the Archbishop of Wales has to say about that. Now the Worldwide Anglican Communion can either side with ACNA (which is Faithful to God and is growing by leaps and bounds), or side with ACC and TEC (which are loyal to their earthly desires and in a freefall to ruin and destruction).
The Archbishop may indeed “resist the founding of another province with every fiber of his body”. Too bad for him that that is insignificant compared to the Power of God. If it is the Will of God for ACNA to be successful, than nothing this Archbishop does will prevent it.
Slightly edited — admin.
Ok so how heavy is this bishop? Is there any fiber or is it all fat? Or how about backbone then? Notice i have not asked if there is any grey matter.
Gawk #3 – do you mean the person or the office? I’m not sure there was a lot of [office] weight there until the former incumbent was translated to Canterbury.
“He says that if it’s possible for that to happen to The Episcopal Church, it’s possible for any of us, he says [sic].”
So the real concern emerges.
Gawk [#3],
I doubt that any of it is moral fiber; most of it is probably a build up from eating too much Bara Lawr for breakfast.
I tried to translate that page with babelfish, and it doesn’t do Welsh. You should complain, David! It’s probably because all those mutated words make it too difficult. (The beginnings of the words change with tense – makes it very hard to look anything up in the dictionary…)
Why is everyone so unkind? This blog is full of sarcasm, innuendos, and unkind thoughts! I see very little Christian kindness, forgiveness, or tolerance here. No matter which “side” one is on, all are trying to follow Christ in the best way they know how. Some of the remarks I read on this blog are so hurtful, and I wonder – do the people who write these words ask themselves “What would Jesus write?” I just cannot see Jesus making such sarcastic remarks and unkind innuedos! The remarks about the Archbishop of Wales and the “fiber of his body” are so unloving and mean! No matter what we think and believe, let’s for God’s sake, be kind to each other!!!
Even to Welshmen?
That’s what I mean! Totally uncalled for comment – Welshmen are also God’s children and when you put them down (or anyone) you are putting down one of God’s creations, and I don’t think God would be laughing! Be Kind, please!
Jennifer [#10],
Just my odd sense of humour – I’m Welsh. Some people never get used to it; my mother didn’t.
David,
Glad you explained – not knowing you were Welsh, I didn’t realize you were being humourous! Believe or not I have a great sense of humour, and of course I am not the perfect, kind person, either! But I do believe that we should strive to be kind – it is lack of kindness and tolerance that causes wars! Also on a Christian blog ,I must confess, I didn’t expect to hear so much sarcasm and back-stabbing! It is one thing when we say things in the heat of the moment and then repent, but on a blog one has time to reflect on what one has written. So I can only believe that people really mean what they say! ….. Except of course those with a sense of humour!!!
Is it just this thread, or are there other examples? We admins walk a very fine line, you know. On the one hand, there is the “this shouldn’t be on a Christian blog” and on the other hand, when we edit, we get called heavy handed and hear the “censorship” cry.
As blogs go, I think this one does a pretty good job of being charitable.
Ooops! I didn’t mean to imply that those with a sense of humour don’t mean what they say!!
Jennifer,
Believe it or not, as Christian blogs go, this one is pretty mild.
I think much of the sarcasm is intended to point to the truth by using mocking humour; it doesn’t always succeed, of course, but I really don’t think that there is usually any intended malice.
Whether this is a legitimate activity for a Christian has been the subject of many discussions – not just here, but on other blogs too. For my part, I think the use of irony to illuminate the foibles of the powerful is a God given gift – not all would agree.
Also, as an example of calling a spade a shovel, we have Jesus when he calls the religious establishment of his time snakes, children of the devil and whited sepulchres.
That being said, I would agree that straying into vindictiveness is not a good idea; I really don’t think that happens much here.
snakes, children of the devil and whited sepulchres.
I appreciate what you are saying, David. However, when Jesus rebuked the establishment it was for their double standards, fake religiosity, cheating and greed. I don’t recall reading anywhere that Jesus made fun of anyone’s physique or person! Righteous indignation (and I believe that was what Jesus was expressing), in its proper place, can help bring about change for the good, but, as you say, vindictiveness is not a good idea, and only serves to cause pain and inner turmoil. Let’s express opinions about the issues but leave personal comments about people’s looks, physique, weight, etc. out of it!! For my part enough said on this – I have enjoyed the conversation! I shall be watching this blog from now on and I expect to see the milk of human kindness flowing profusely!! Cheers and BE KIND!
Barry Morgan, the Archbishop of Wales, looks rather trim and fit. He was born the same year as me and appears, to my chagrin, to be a lot thinner. So I don’t think any comments on his physique would stand much critical scrutiny. Of course, he was born in Neath (joking, really).
Glad you’re with us and if I accidentally call anyone fat or fibrous in the future, let me know and I’ll recant.
Jennifer (#12), I can vouch for what David said (#15), except that I would say that this blog is “extremely mild” for a Christian blog rather than “pretty mild”. I monitor several and and find the level of discourse on this blog to be very courteous in most cases. There are other blogs where your comment would have brought down a shower of derision. At least this blog has a decent sense of humour. I won’t comment on how things should be in an ideal world. Hopefully you are aware that Paul used some blazing sarcasm in some of his letters (as did Christ).
Well, Warren 18, I can only say that it is a sad commentary on the other blogs if they are worse than this one!! And if asking people to be more kind to each other brings down a “show of derision” then my heart aches! Paul was human like the rest of us and subject to human foibles – doesn’t necessarily make it right though! I challenge the point made that Jesus used sarcasm! He was blunt and to the point at times and proactive as in the temple with the Money Changers, but Jesus only rebuked when it had to do with human behaviour (in other words sinfulness) – not people’s looks or physique!! He was about healing and reconciliation – not putting down! I am pleased to learn that this blog is “courteous in most cases” and has “a sense of humour”. I respect people’s right to express themselves in their own peculiar way including my own!! So, still I say, be kind to one another!
Jennifer (#19), your point about being kind is well made – I don’t argue. Paul was doubtlessly subject to human foibles, but I believe that the words he penned – that we find in Scripture – were inspired and ultimately are God’s infallible message to us. I trust them as much as I trust any other passage in Scripture.