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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only liberal bishops were this forthright, no one would doubt that they had abandoned the faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only liberal bishops were this forthright, no one would doubt that they had abandoned the faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek (#23), your comment is devoid of Christian content.  Do you really call yourself a Christian, or are you happy to go with &quot;pagan&quot; (the tone of your comments suggest you might be a happy pagan)?  What you appear to believe is a jumble of spiritualism, from multiple sources, with no logical backbone; the foolishness of man&#039;s wisdom as the Bible would put it.  Where did you get the strange idea that God has any concern for candles or genuflecting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek (#23), your comment is devoid of Christian content.  Do you really call yourself a Christian, or are you happy to go with &#8220;pagan&#8221; (the tone of your comments suggest you might be a happy pagan)?  What you appear to believe is a jumble of spiritualism, from multiple sources, with no logical backbone; the foolishness of man&#8217;s wisdom as the Bible would put it.  Where did you get the strange idea that God has any concern for candles or genuflecting?</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you are reflecting what you have been taught in your parish&quot;

Well, my own opinion would be that God is a being, and that different cultures use different words, and different approaches to understand the same thing. We call him God. Mulsims call him Allah. Aboriginals, &quot;The Creator&quot;. For me, I was brought up in the Anglican church and that is how I understand God -- but I wouldn&#039;t codemn other religions for using a different approach. That&#039;s how they were raised, and how they understand God.

I also don&#039;t believe that God has a gender, and that Christ may well have been happily married (though I doubt it makes a difference). I also doubt that God will strike me down if I forgot to bow at the cross when I pass it, or that I snuffed out the altar candles incorrectly as an altar boy (there are plenty in my own parish who probably do believe that :P). That wasn&#039;t taught in my parish, but is just a realization that the world is a big place and God is a very complicated being to understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you are reflecting what you have been taught in your parish&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, my own opinion would be that God is a being, and that different cultures use different words, and different approaches to understand the same thing. We call him God. Mulsims call him Allah. Aboriginals, &#8220;The Creator&#8221;. For me, I was brought up in the Anglican church and that is how I understand God &#8212; but I wouldn&#8217;t codemn other religions for using a different approach. That&#8217;s how they were raised, and how they understand God.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t believe that God has a gender, and that Christ may well have been happily married (though I doubt it makes a difference). I also doubt that God will strike me down if I forgot to bow at the cross when I pass it, or that I snuffed out the altar candles incorrectly as an altar boy (there are plenty in my own parish who probably do believe that <img src='http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> ). That wasn&#8217;t taught in my parish, but is just a realization that the world is a big place and God is a very complicated being to understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek, you have done a useful service for this blog.  Many liberal clergy have a clever way of obfuscating the truth and what they really believe, but you have presented your understanding of Christianity in an honest and forthright manner.  You are a &quot;poster boy&quot; for why many ACoC parishes no long bear the marks of a true church, and why a separation was essential for the survival of Anglicanism in Canada.  (I know this likely sound very judgmental to you but I would like nothing more than to see you come to a true saving faith in Christ.)

If you are reflecting what you have been taught in your parish, and not just your personal opinion, then your parish is not a Christian one.  I don&#039;t know how to characterize what is being preached (I think false gospel would be far too kind), but those who are teaching you will have much to answer for on judgment day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek, you have done a useful service for this blog.  Many liberal clergy have a clever way of obfuscating the truth and what they really believe, but you have presented your understanding of Christianity in an honest and forthright manner.  You are a &#8220;poster boy&#8221; for why many ACoC parishes no long bear the marks of a true church, and why a separation was essential for the survival of Anglicanism in Canada.  (I know this likely sound very judgmental to you but I would like nothing more than to see you come to a true saving faith in Christ.)</p>
<p>If you are reflecting what you have been taught in your parish, and not just your personal opinion, then your parish is not a Christian one.  I don&#8217;t know how to characterize what is being preached (I think false gospel would be far too kind), but those who are teaching you will have much to answer for on judgment day.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20,
&lt;i&gt;Wow. Just…wow.&lt;/i&gt;
Thanks for the insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20,<br />
<i>Wow. Just…wow.</i><br />
Thanks for the insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Clendening</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Clendening</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If reconciliation with God were a matter of confidence and blessed feelings, then Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, and Mormons would all be saved. The Bible, by contrast, teaches that salvation is found in the unique and divine Son of God.&quot;

So, that means that Christians go to heaven -- Hindus, Muslims, Buddhist and Mormons all go to Hell?

Wow. Just...wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If reconciliation with God were a matter of confidence and blessed feelings, then Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, and Mormons would all be saved. The Bible, by contrast, teaches that salvation is found in the unique and divine Son of God.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, that means that Christians go to heaven &#8212; Hindus, Muslims, Buddhist and Mormons all go to Hell?</p>
<p>Wow. Just&#8230;wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Wirrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Wirrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The situation is akin to poison gas attacks during the war.  False doctrine continues to be spouted from the mouths of those who are supposed to be “chief shepherds” within the ACoC and to make matters worse they try to place a chocolate coating over it.  The apostates will never admit any wrong and will gladly use any tool that will reduce doctrine to “doing what feels good from a human perspective”.  They have either lost all sight of our “old nature” or are quite willing to embrace it and lead their followers on the broad path and away from eternal security that is in Christ alone.

The tragedy is that this apostasy is not only unchallenged but is promoted by Fred Hiltz and other apostates within the House of Bishops.  As they have clearly renounced their vows spoken initially at their ordination and reaffirmed at their consecration, I do not refer to them as “bishops”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The situation is akin to poison gas attacks during the war.  False doctrine continues to be spouted from the mouths of those who are supposed to be “chief shepherds” within the ACoC and to make matters worse they try to place a chocolate coating over it.  The apostates will never admit any wrong and will gladly use any tool that will reduce doctrine to “doing what feels good from a human perspective”.  They have either lost all sight of our “old nature” or are quite willing to embrace it and lead their followers on the broad path and away from eternal security that is in Christ alone.</p>
<p>The tragedy is that this apostasy is not only unchallenged but is promoted by Fred Hiltz and other apostates within the House of Bishops.  As they have clearly renounced their vows spoken initially at their ordination and reaffirmed at their consecration, I do not refer to them as “bishops”.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>16 Rob,
There isn&#039;t much wiggle room in:
&quot;Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.&quot; &lt;i&gt;John 14:6&lt;/i&gt;
I suppose that makes Jesus an extreme protestant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>16 Rob,<br />
There isn&#8217;t much wiggle room in:<br />
&#8220;Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.&#8221; <i><a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=John+14%3A6" class="bibleref" title="ESV John 14:6">John 14:6</a></i><br />
I suppose that makes Jesus an extreme protestant?</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob k (#16), your assertion is so undeniably false that I must not understand what you meant to say.  Do you actually believe that the historic catholic (small c) position is that Jesus is only one way of many to God?  Barb never said that people of other religions cannot be saved if they believe in Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob k (#16), your assertion is so undeniably false that I must not understand what you meant to say.  Do you actually believe that the historic catholic (small c) position is that Jesus is only one way of many to God?  Barb never said that people of other religions cannot be saved if they believe in Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: rob k</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barb - Despite Grabiec&#039;s overall nonsense, you are wrong to think that Mormons, Hindus, etc. cannot be saved.  At least this is the historic Catholic position.  Only certain extreme Protestants believe that no one else can be saved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barb &#8211; Despite Grabiec&#8217;s overall nonsense, you are wrong to think that Mormons, Hindus, etc. cannot be saved.  At least this is the historic Catholic position.  Only certain extreme Protestants believe that no one else can be saved.</p>
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