The post feed will start working again once the posts I imported last week drop off the feed radar. That’ll happen sooner the more new posts there are. Patience is called for…if it’s super-important to you, then pray for more news (and for admins that aren’t lazy) 
Lazy administrators? Here? Surely you jest…. –another ed.
You need posts? Glad you asked. Will post away with all sorts of glib comments.
How about this one? Glib enough?
“We have fixed the fan. It can take on anything now.”
Who is Shirly and why does she jest? This not a glib-glob eh glib-blog
Ah, the comments feed is fine Walter. What we need is news…news I tell you….then we can pacify the feed junkies
My screen says the feed is down. I get that way sometimes. If we gave it some attention and some gentle words? Perhaps a plate of cookies or come over and shovel the walk. Anti-depressants are out, the feed would become excitable and want to start showing Midwest Conservative Journal posts and stay up all night commenting on Stand Firm.
#2 Why did I know it would be you who came up with that?
Personally, I’m content for it to be a light news week, myself.
It was in my 2LT review, the Colonel said I should be punished but there was a typo and came out pun-ished and I was happy to oblige.
Kate, lots of happy news at my place, I even brought music and you can sing along. 41 Christians this week and use of a church next week.
Yes, I heard, that’s marvellous. I envy you. We are still “entangled”, as it were.
You want news? Ok how about this plug.
The Greater Niagara Prayerbook Society Branch is having it’s AGM at St Paul’s Dunnville on April 12th. The entire slate including the two fellows running for president is under thirty. http://www.geocities.com/niagaranorthbcp/
Yes the old liturgies are what always attracted the people, especially the young.
There’s a place for both old and new, Walter. Not all the new liturgies are of BAS “quality”.
Some interesting links
http://www.canadianchristianity.com/cgi-bin/bc.cgi?bc/bccn/1197/ingham
http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch1.2.3.1.html
http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/UCC%20Critique/Bermuda%20Trial/bermuda.htm#Outerbridge
Anglican Essentials says that the current issues go beyond simply whether we should endorse same sex marriage, yet all the other issues that I find on their web sit still relate back to that primary issue. We know that some of these issues include denial of the bodily resurrection of Christ, denial of Jesus’ divinity etc, but we have no specific examples within the Anglican Church in Canada. Can anybody give these examples?
–This comment was held for moderation because of the number of links it contained. –ed
We use a variation on the Kenyan Rite, interactive and user friendly (21st century, eh?). It follows the structure of the BCP Eucharist (I think) but is less stuffy and a lot more exciting with the right priest. It is more passionate and less sophisticated than a Cathedral rite. It is not a monotone recitation but an energetic call to Christ. Praise should be like a child at Christmas morn not like thanking the server at Tim’s Takeout.
Kate is there a list of ANiC parishes, plants and ‘defections’ ? We never seem to hear much of them except during litigation.
I’ve had my little rant. Is the feed fixed yet?
As I said, there is a place for both. Some people would consider the traditional liturgies meditative, not stuffy. It all depends upon how they are done. I mostly prefer the modern stuff these days, but I find the modern music really lacking for Advent, Lent, and especially Good Friday. You want good minor key stuff for those seasons, and modern songwriters just don’t seem to do much of that.
Anyway, no, there is no list of ANiC parishes that I know of, but I could make one easily enough.
Good Friday for us was a home church, music a Capella from the Lutheran Hymn book. It’s a mix. Sunday we HAD to do Jesus Christ has Risen.
If you ever do up an ANiC list, linking it at the AEC would get the most hits and might translate into more people coming to those churches.
New liturgies are fine some some but I think the older one will eventually be all that is standing in twenty years if the young people are for it. Even the Pope is going for the old stuff.
If I make it twenty years from now, and God willing I’m young enough to do it, I’ll either look an old fool or a smart old fool.
My experience with Anglicanism was relatively brief, and my knowledge of Anglican liturgy is admittedly weak, but I don’t understand how one could argue, from scripture (or even tradition, reason and experience), that the form and sequence of worship, should never change; assuming the doctrinal and theological foundation remains solid. From what I have observed, some Anglicans place greater emphasis on liturgy and adherence to the BCP than do Pentecostals on the importance of speaking in tongues. I think both have elevated a third/fourth level issue to a position of prime importance. Or am I missing something?
Here’s your list…
http://www.anglicannetwork.ca/member_parish.htm
Kate, perfect, thanks. Oh, get the whiteout we’re moving into a borrowed church this Sunday. The Church of the Resurrection site has all the details.
Warren, I don’t think for most people that they don’t want the service to ever change, as the BCP places a higher enphaces on the reading of scripture than the BAS. The language in the BCP also comes across as most poetic. Interestingly what’s his name, the guy who wrote the original Anglican Book of Common prayer (I don’t remember his name) never intended it to be strictly adheared to, it was a book of suggestions and possible guide lines.
Some years ago seven (I believe) bishops stood up, I think at an HOB and declared that same sex blessings were against Christian teaching. There were ++Harvey, Whitten and I suspect Harding. Does any one know the others? Of the present bunch of bishops is there any one that would have the guts to stand up and be counted in that same way, and who are they?
Well, if they haven’t done it by now, I doubt they will. I’m suprised Bishop Terry Buckle hasn’t said anything, he is conservative by reputation, anyway.
I have been wondering about Bishop Terry Buckle myself
He is retiring this year I wonder if he will say something after he retires same as Bishop Harvey
Biship Buckle is conservatiive tho I do wish he would say something
Cathy (#19), thank you for the feedback; it lines up with my Anglican experience. There are occasional posters on this and other sites, however, who seemingly place the BCP on the same level as the Bible (I know it does contain a lot of Scripture) and view the slightest deviation from the traditional liturgy as a direct assault on orthodoxy.
re#17 What about the Church of the Reurrection in Toronto, also known as “therez”. On their website they say an Anglican Essentials Church, and knowing the Rector and where he was trained there is no way they could be going with liberal thinking (and dare we say, deviant thinking) of the ACoC. I would say to any one in the Woodbine, Danville area of Toronto who is looking for a Christ-centred church, then try this one.
#23 I’ve noted that, and I find it exceedingly frustrating.
In response to 13.
I will have to ask David J. to write some more music. He has written some fantastic Easter songs , also fantastic Christmas songs. We have also used some of his songs on Good Friday and for Advent. Maybe he could write some especially for Good Friday for next year.
Also wanted to invite people to join Essentials for “A Saturday Reflection” “What Does Jesus think of the Church?” Speaker Rev. Dr. Grant LeMarquand Sat. April 12 2008 from 10:00 to 4:30.
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Hey, a fan – oh wait, it’s my agent.
#26-27 BTW if anyone has any copyright free music or as a composer will allow performance let the The Vicar’s Attic know.
You’re lucky to have an agent, I’m still trying to find one for my time travel romance novel.
Oh and one more. See the icon at the bottom of the screen, ‘view stats’ Click it! 2 March, 8200 page views, awesome!
I wasn’t kidding about the lack of lent and Good Friday music. There are many, many great hymns for the season, but not much modern stuff. It would even be nice to see some of those lenten hymns rearranged for praise band style instruments. That’s my only real problem with modern music in church – it’s hard to make an Advent Sunday sound different from an Epiphany Sunday or a Lent Sunday. It often feels like we are in Ordinary time for ever and ever (well, we will be in Ordinary time for ever and ever this year, since Easter was so early. )
Steve L: I have about 30 songs that are copyrighted but would be free to use for Network churches. There would be a large fee for the ACoC.
Kate: we ..err… lost our organ and organist while back but still do many traditional hymns in a band. I have dozens (maybe hundreds – haven’t counted) of the red and blue book tunes that I have put chords to – that will work with a keyboard playing the standard arrangement.
Say I heard GENEralaites has moved here. Just like that, snap of the fingers and presto, new site, same look, same feeds.
#30 Try Fresh Sounds or Living Waters(?) (both by Fisherfolk). Also the Gather song book (from the original Glory & praise song books – Catholic). Contemporary Biblical songs.
Gene is here: http://generalities.bleat.ca/
The language went hyper on me when we marked up the price for text.
Is there no-one to point out that the there are a great number of us who are plugging the BCP because of the theology? The BAS has a great deal of the liberal theology that has caused the present schism and in fact was part of the process of the slide. And when it comes to modern language: 1) most of us are not averse to modernizing the BCP language as long as the theology and poetry are maintained (maybe now that we have some clarity in this department a few of our conservative theologians can accomplish this); 2) if we are going to use modern language let’s do it right – when did you ever say to someone “and also with you”? or use “thanks be to God” as a reply to “go forth…”?
Well, how would you put “and with thy spirit” into modern English? Liturgical language isn’t exactly the same as conversation, even when it is modern. We don’t use the BAS for our modern language service because of its theology. What I would like to see, when Prayerbook revision happens, is to have everything in one book. Maybe one service with Cramner’s language, one with that same Cramner service slightly modernized, and two modern language services. I’d also like to see the whole service printed together – none of this “go to the creed on page 532, and then back to the service on p. 176″ stuff. That’s a big problem with the BAS as far as I am concerned – there is too much variety. When I go to a prayerbook service, I don’t even have to open the book. I grew up with it, and can basically say the whole service from memory. Even if you grew up with the BAS, I don’t think you would become that familiar with it, as the formats can change so much.
“Even if you grew up with the BAS, I don’t think you would become that familiar with it, as the formats can change so much.” Not true. The BAS was interoduced when I was in my early to mid teens. I have long sense stopped looking at the book or overhead, I have it memorised.
Can you give examples of theological errors in the BAS?
Well, did you use the same liturgy every week? I suppose I was too general in my posting.
One theological error in the BAS is that confession before communion is optional. I’m sure there are other people who can add things to the list.
I suppose the fact that we use mostly overheads puts us beyond the pale….
Well, we use a projector and screen too. That would change if there was a new prayerbook, I expect. Or… maybe the modern services could be published on CD. That way, parishes that already had projectors, etc, wouldn’t have to buy a bunch of new books. It would certainly be less expensive for the parishes.
We do generally use the same liturgy every week, the one that starts on pg 190, we occationally use the Kenyan rite, or one the youth wrote several years ago and we use the baptism, wedding, funural etc services as appropriate, but that is no different than when we used (and still occationally use) the BCP.
As for the BAS having the coffession as optional, it don’t recall ever seeing that, of course I don’t actually have a BAS in front of me at the moment. I have always been taught that we are to repent of our sins prior to communion and we always say the confession and absolution. If infact the BAS clearly state that confession is optional prior to communion, I would agree, that is an error.
Kate: ‘Well, how would you put “and with thy spirit” into modern English?’ ‘And you!’ Just kidding.
#42 – I’m pretty sure that some of the communion rites don’t have confession in them, but I could be wrong about that.
Kate,
Regarding the earlier question about ANiC churches, are there any lists of Church plants? Regarding The Rez in Toronto, it is my understanding that it is not a Network parish, but rather a Federation parish. Unless something drastic has happened, the Rector is not OK with what is happening, but to the best of my knowledge (which is outdated by a year) he does not plan to leave the ACoC.
Regarding the BAS, it is possible to have a decent service using one of the rites (rite 1 I think). However, there are also other rites which are included, several of which are quite wonky (and that’s being generous). By including the wonky rites beside the decent one, the ACoC has approved of the wonkiness. Anyway, if more is wanted about specifics, I can go through the trouble of getting a BAS, but I’d rather not unless someone really wants to make me work.
your fellow unworthy servant in Christ,
Brian DeVisser
Pastor Kanata Lakes Fellowship