Comments on: JI Packer threatened with suspension

By: Liz

Liz — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:30:58 +0000

This has to be the most outlandish move Bsp Ingham ever entertained! Surely the Primate would not be pleased? Bsp Ingham and I know not the same God.

By: Gerry O'Brien

Gerry O'Brien — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:03:09 +0000

Nothing more need be said than the following which was said by Our Lord.

John 15:26 - John 16:1-4
The Coming Rejection
26 �But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
John 16
1 �These things I have spoken to you, that you should not be made to stumble. 2 They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. 3 And these things they will do to you[d] because they have not known the Father nor Me. 4 But these things I have told you, that when the[e] time comes, you may remember that I told you of them.

“Dear Father in Heaven, watch over your servant J.I. Packer who is now being persecuted along with so many others within ANiC, this we pray in the name of our Savior, Jesus Christ, Amen.”

By: Kate

Kate — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:08:56 +0000

He is 82 years old, and his only “crime” is to attend the parish that voted to join ANiC. I think Ingham’s actions are disgraceful.

By: Alan

Alan — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:33:01 +0000

Your coffee cup is down isn’t it Kate? But I’m afraid Mike Ingham isn’t even worthy to carry Jim Packers jock strap!

By: Steve

Steve — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:33:02 +0000

I am discussed by this action and that anyone who proclaims Christ as their personal Saviour can be turned away for a supposedly “Christian ” Church. I would like to know from Fred Hiltz, when did the Anglican Church of Canada decide not to follow the teaching of Christ and pursue worldy possession instead.

By: Gerry O'Brien

Gerry O'Brien — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:24:43 +0000

Steve : Check it out…..long before Fred Hiltz there was another named Hutchinson and some other liberal/revisionist before that…this has been going on for decades now and is only now surfacing fully because the liberal/revisionist have gained heirarchal powerholds.
I agree with others here. Ingham should be ashamed, but then I am not sure that he knows the meaning of the word.
Very difficult to find anything charitable to say here on this one.

By: Gerry O'Brien

Gerry O'Brien — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:28:44 +0000

Another thought here:

I think we can all be sure that Dr. JI Packer was and is fully aware of what ingham would likely do in this instance. Dr. Packer, can do nothing other than what he is doing. The same thing that Bishop Bob Duncan (Pittsburgh) said “I can do no other, here I stand” (not verbatim).

Ingham shows no respect for this wonderful Theologian, but then ingham has shown no respect for The Gospel, For the Holy Bible or for the Christian Faith for a long time now.

By: Kate

Kate — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:37:56 +0000

Alan, you obviously know me - who are you?? Or have I just used the “I’m glad I wasn’t drinking coffee when I read that” line a few too many times?

By: John K

John K — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:27:47 +0000

…Mike Ingham isn�t even worthy to carry Jim Packers jock strap!

Is this a paraphrase of Mark 1:7?
Seriously, this has got to be a PR disaster for Ingham. Surely it will backfire!

By: David Jenkins

David Jenkins — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:03:23 +0000

John K: The ACoC seem to be living in another age; perhaps even another dimension. Their talent for PR appears to be similar to their ability to evangelize.

By: Warren

Warren — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:22:41 +0000

Just spotted on an evangelical group blog (the owner is ordained in the Southern Baptist Convention, and the other contributors are from many backgrounds):

I hope that one day I, too, can be threatened by Ingham (the Anglican bishop threatening Packer). I�d like to tell you what I really think of him, but I�m torn. On the one hand, I don�t want to speak too outrageously about someone in a leadership role in the church. On the other hand, I�m reasonably certain he�s not a Christian at all, but actually evil, and I mean that in every sense of the word.

For now I�ll just say that this is unsurprising, given that the church Packer�s attends just voted to leave the Anglican Church of Canada.

By: Daryle

Daryle — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 04:29:51 +0000

Sorry for this, but this bishop is seriously ****** up!

By: Gerry O'Brien

Gerry O'Brien — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:31:18 +0000

Daryle: I know that I am blunt but not to your extent. I would think that your post is one that could be partially edited…..

By: Daryle

Daryle — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:44:14 +0000

Thanks Gerry,
The post, as written, HAS been adjusted. Also, I do not know how to ‘edit’ here. For now, lets call it “seriously messed up”! Perhaps a moderator can fix this. (I did edit it a bit. –Kate) And yes, some time ago, I lost all patience with error, and with the leadership that both spawned and perpetuated it.

By: Kate

Kate — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:30:52 +0000

Commenters can’t edit here. Only Peter, Scott and I can.

By: Gerry O'Brien

Gerry O'Brien — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:57:47 +0000

Daryle: Hey, wouldn’t that be something if all of us could edit!!
You could post and if I didn’t like it, I’d just change it….yikes.
I think Kate, Scott and Peter do wonderfully….oh, the odd thing skips past them, but then, we can always add to that thread a recommendation for some editing and they do it….they’re great.

By: Daryle

Daryle — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:26:57 +0000

Thanks Gerry.

I meant that IF we could edit our own work, it might make this forum a bit more ‘user-friendly’. But hey, I’m the “new-bie”.

When in Rome…