Comments on: The Archbishop of Canterbury – an instrument of unity? http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/17/the-archbishop-of-canterbury-an-instrument-of-unity/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:46:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Drumroll http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/17/the-archbishop-of-canterbury-an-instrument-of-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-9141 Drumroll Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:13:47 +0000 http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/17/the-archbishop-of-canterbury-an-instrument-of-unity/#comment-9141 Well said Warren. michael, I'm not on a fishing trip and I am not "bitter"....I just disagree, sometimes vehently with your statements. I do believe that we are allowed to disagree with someone else's statement without allowing ourselves to become more nasty. I do realize that at times in previous points I was "overzealous" with some statements and I do not wish to go there again. But again, I am of the belief that I can express opinions. If I am wrong, then I would ask Peter or Scott to block me from commenting on this site. Please do have a Blessed Christmas and like all of us, let's put Christ in the central focus. Well said Warren. michael, I’m not on a fishing trip and I am not “bitter”….I just disagree, sometimes vehently with your statements.

I do believe that we are allowed to disagree with someone else’s statement without allowing ourselves to become more nasty. I do realize that at times in previous points I was “overzealous” with some statements and I do not wish to go there again. But again, I am of the belief that I can express opinions. If I am wrong, then I would ask Peter or Scott to block me from commenting on this site.

Please do have a Blessed Christmas and like all of us, let’s put Christ in the central focus.

]]> By: Mrs. Falstaff http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/17/the-archbishop-of-canterbury-an-instrument-of-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-8962 Mrs. Falstaff Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:06:13 +0000 http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/17/the-archbishop-of-canterbury-an-instrument-of-unity/#comment-8962 Thank you Warren, well said. Thank you Warren, well said.

]]> By: Warren http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/17/the-archbishop-of-canterbury-an-instrument-of-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-8827 Warren Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:45:44 +0000 http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/17/the-archbishop-of-canterbury-an-instrument-of-unity/#comment-8827 Michael, I suspect that my view on women's ordination and divorce is similar to your own, but we are far apart in other areas. Although I may not be familiar with all of the "traditional orthodox Anglican" principles that you speak of, I suspect that that many people in the evangelical/pentecostal denominations I am familiar with would question whether some of them were even Christian. I know that many would see them as hollow ritual void of any true meaning (and some would probably even point to 2 Tim 3:5). I personally held some of these views not so long ago, but two years spent at a Network-affiliated Anglican church (part of the "little fraction" you disparage) opened my eyes to many things. I found a group of people who truly loved Jesus and desired to serve him regardless of the cost - they just did so in a form that I was unaccustomed to. Although I may not feel entirely at home in your church, I suspect that could still worship there in spirit and in truth. I often gave my Anglican friends a hard time about being so slow to separate themselves from the serious error that has gripped the ACC, and I applaud them for the steps that are now being taken to stand for truth. I may not agree fully with everything that the Network is doing, but I would not hesitate to invite an unbelieving friend to a Network church - something I would not do with other ACC churches. I no longer attend an Anglican church (there are none in the area where I am now living that I would darken the door of given the values they embrace), but I pray that a time will come when I can visit many Anglican churches and be confident that the message I will hear preached is God's truth. I praise God for the men and women he is raising up within the Network and I admire their courage and conviction. Michael, I suspect that my view on women’s ordination and divorce is similar to your own, but we are far apart in other areas. Although I may not be familiar with all of the “traditional orthodox Anglican” principles that you speak of, I suspect that that many people in the evangelical/pentecostal denominations I am familiar with would question whether some of them were even Christian. I know that many would see them as hollow ritual void of any true meaning (and some would probably even point to 2 Tim 3:5). I personally held some of these views not so long ago, but two years spent at a Network-affiliated Anglican church (part of the “little fraction” you disparage) opened my eyes to many things. I found a group of people who truly loved Jesus and desired to serve him regardless of the cost – they just did so in a form that I was unaccustomed to. Although I may not feel entirely at home in your church, I suspect that could still worship there in spirit and in truth.

I often gave my Anglican friends a hard time about being so slow to separate themselves from the serious error that has gripped the ACC, and I applaud them for the steps that are now being taken to stand for truth. I may not agree fully with everything that the Network is doing, but I would not hesitate to invite an unbelieving friend to a Network church – something I would not do with other ACC churches.

I no longer attend an Anglican church (there are none in the area where I am now living that I would darken the door of given the values they embrace), but I pray that a time will come when I can visit many Anglican churches and be confident that the message I will hear preached is God’s truth. I praise God for the men and women he is raising up within the Network and I admire their courage and conviction.

]]> By: michael http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/17/the-archbishop-of-canterbury-an-instrument-of-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-8738 michael Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:36:31 +0000 http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/17/the-archbishop-of-canterbury-an-instrument-of-unity/#comment-8738 Drumroll, You have pointedly have made clear your dislike for my traditional orthodox Anglican principles....and further, it is saddening to read between your lines of your bitterness for that which is Biblically correct and indeed Anglican Tradition and Reason. The only person on a "fishing expedition" for discourse is yourself! Many times you have responded to something which I had written in a most unbecoming and unchristian manner...Thank God I do not belong to your little fraction within the ACC. With this, I will however wish you a most Blessed Christmas! Drumroll,
You have pointedly have made clear your dislike for my traditional orthodox Anglican principles….and further, it is saddening to read between your lines of your bitterness for that which is Biblically correct and indeed Anglican Tradition and Reason.
The only person on a “fishing expedition” for discourse is yourself! Many times you have responded to something which I had written in a most unbecoming and unchristian manner…Thank God I do not belong to your little fraction within the ACC.
With this, I will however wish you a most Blessed Christmas!

]]> By: Drumroll http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/17/the-archbishop-of-canterbury-an-instrument-of-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-8729 Drumroll Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:30:38 +0000 http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/17/the-archbishop-of-canterbury-an-instrument-of-unity/#comment-8729 Peter - Well said; clear and easy to understand. Being a layperson of unfinished University education, I sometimes have difficulty with discussions on this and some other blogs, especially when theological expressions or words are used. I have no trouble understanding you. It seems to me that small "m" micheal is on a fishing expedition attempting to bring on more discourse. I won't go there. I just cannot help thinking that: (1) The need for ANiC was so necessary and the need for Primatial oversight so necessary that there is no choice but to be going in the direction that those of us who have chosen to leave the ACC is an absolute must. (2) I can see in the near future the Anglican Communion as we have known it becoming two seperate entities, one with the ACB and the other with an ArchBishop that will be able to give leadership instead of jibber-jabber and confusion. (3) The time for discussion is passed and the need is to go forward. Peter –
Well said; clear and easy to understand. Being a layperson of unfinished University education, I sometimes have difficulty with discussions on this and some other blogs, especially when theological expressions or words are used.
I have no trouble understanding you. It seems to me that small “m” micheal is on a fishing expedition attempting to bring on more discourse. I won’t go there.

I just cannot help thinking that:
(1) The need for ANiC was so necessary and the need for Primatial oversight so necessary that there is no choice but to be going in the direction that those of us who have chosen to leave the ACC is an absolute must.
(2) I can see in the near future the Anglican Communion as we have known it becoming two seperate entities, one with the ACB
and the other with an ArchBishop that will be able to give leadership instead of jibber-jabber and confusion.
(3) The time for discussion is passed and the need is to go forward.

]]> By: michael http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/17/the-archbishop-of-canterbury-an-instrument-of-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-8723 michael Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:16:09 +0000 http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/17/the-archbishop-of-canterbury-an-instrument-of-unity/#comment-8723 Infighting amongst your brethren does nothing for the cause of the ANiC...and the last word is that the ANiC is within this Anglican Communion still, hence this is still the ANiC's lead Shepherd.....Unless the ANiC breaks totally from the AC and stands firmly on a traditional, Biblical, moral, and orthodox BCP Anglican Theology which does not include female "priestesses" or divorce/remarriage, the ANiC is still part and parcel of the AC's road to destruction... What the Archbishop of C is really saying, is although you (the ANiC) have a minor conviction of heart on one stance, we are still "together" in this huge family called the Anglican Communion... An early Christmas present to the ANiC! Will this get you in God's favour? I think not! Infighting amongst your brethren does nothing for the cause of the ANiC…and the last word is that the ANiC is within this Anglican Communion still, hence this is still the ANiC’s lead Shepherd…..Unless the ANiC breaks totally from the AC and stands firmly on a traditional, Biblical, moral, and orthodox BCP Anglican Theology which does not include female “priestesses” or divorce/remarriage, the ANiC is still part and parcel of the AC’s road to destruction…
What the Archbishop of C is really saying, is although you (the ANiC) have a minor conviction of heart on one stance, we are still “together” in this huge family called the Anglican Communion…
An early Christmas present to the ANiC! Will this get you in God’s favour? I think not!

]]> By: Gene Packwood http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/17/the-archbishop-of-canterbury-an-instrument-of-unity/comment-page-1/#comment-8711 Gene Packwood Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:54:32 +0000 http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/17/the-archbishop-of-canterbury-an-instrument-of-unity/#comment-8711 Well done, Peter. An insightful commentary on it all. I admire your clarity of thought and expression. Well done, Peter. An insightful commentary on it all. I admire your clarity of thought and expression.

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