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		<title>By: Pauline</title>
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		<author>Pauline</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>There are wonderful people on both sides of the issue, but to call those who disagree homophobic is hurtful and arrogant.  It is just an argument that goes around and around.  The term orientation has no scientific meaning; it is just another directional metaphor drawn from magnetism and navigation which superseded metaphors used prior to the 1970s.  Rictor Norton has some really interesting essays on his website which really helped me understand the term "orientation".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are wonderful people on both sides of the issue, but to call those who disagree homophobic is hurtful and arrogant.  It is just an argument that goes around and around.  The term orientation has no scientific meaning; it is just another directional metaphor drawn from magnetism and navigation which superseded metaphors used prior to the 1970s.  Rictor Norton has some really interesting essays on his website which really helped me understand the term &#8220;orientation&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveM</title>
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		<author>DaveM</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Why am I not surprised to see Ingham take a swipe at Christ Himself?  His arrogance knows no bounds.  

"The time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.  Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
(2 Timothy 4:3-4)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why am I not surprised to see Ingham take a swipe at Christ Himself?  His arrogance knows no bounds.  </p>
<p>&#8220;The time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.  Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.&#8221;<br />
(2 Timothy 4:3-4)</p>
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		<title>By: DaveM</title>
		<link>http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/06/29/bishop-ingham-qa/#comment-932</link>
		<author>DaveM</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>“18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth.  19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.  20 Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, His eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made.  So they are without excuse;  21 for although they knew God they did not honour him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened.  22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.
24  Therefore God gave them up in their lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonouring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever!  Amen.
26  For this reason God gave them up to dishonourable passions.  Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving the due penalty for their error.”  (2 Romans 1:18-27.  New Oxford annotated bible.  RSV.)

Why is it so hard to understand this?  There is no ambiguity there.  As far as context, go ahead and read the rest of it.  The whole Bible for that matter!  It is perfectly clear what is being said there.  Even to a pitiful, foolish sinner like me.  

Bp Ingham; "If one were to interpret it strictly, it seems to state that all men and all women should get married, which Jesus himself did not do."

LOL!  How does one interpret this loosely!?  Not only that, but what "Markan" passage is he reading?  He seems to have substituted a different passage that suits his answer better.  It's a common legal tactic; if you don't like the answer, change the question.  It seems Ingham is a marginally better lawyer than theologian...  Also, by deliberately and knowingly misinterpreting scripture, he allows himself a cheap shot at the Saviour Christ in order to sustain his heresy.  Astonishing hubris! 

Forgive my zeal.  This is the version derived from prayer.  The original will cost me.  ;)

"Whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed, and whatever is concealed or secret is meant to be brought out into the open." (Matthew 4:22)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth.  19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.  20 Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, His eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made.  So they are without excuse;  21 for although they knew God they did not honour him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened.  22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.<br />
24  Therefore God gave them up in their lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonouring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever!  Amen.<br />
26  For this reason God gave them up to dishonourable passions.  Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving the due penalty for their error.”  (2 Romans 1:18-27.  New Oxford annotated bible.  RSV.)</p>
<p>Why is it so hard to understand this?  There is no ambiguity there.  As far as context, go ahead and read the rest of it.  The whole Bible for that matter!  It is perfectly clear what is being said there.  Even to a pitiful, foolish sinner like me.  </p>
<p>Bp Ingham; &#8220;If one were to interpret it strictly, it seems to state that all men and all women should get married, which Jesus himself did not do.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL!  How does one interpret this loosely!?  Not only that, but what &#8220;Markan&#8221; passage is he reading?  He seems to have substituted a different passage that suits his answer better.  It&#8217;s a common legal tactic; if you don&#8217;t like the answer, change the question.  It seems Ingham is a marginally better lawyer than theologian&#8230;  Also, by deliberately and knowingly misinterpreting scripture, he allows himself a cheap shot at the Saviour Christ in order to sustain his heresy.  Astonishing hubris! </p>
<p>Forgive my zeal.  This is the version derived from prayer.  The original will cost me.  <img src='http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;Whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed, and whatever is concealed or secret is meant to be brought out into the open.&#8221; (Matthew 4:22)</p>
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		<title>By: Pauline</title>
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		<author>Pauline</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have great compassion for people who experience same-sex desires.  My family has a history of a predispostion towards alcoholism and depression, but for the grace of God these desires would have overtaken us, but His Grace is sufficient.  But to say that God himself has deliberately given these desires to his people is beyond my understanding.  I would not be able to worship such a God which gives desires contrary to the design of my own body, causing much physical, emotional and spiritual pain.  Such a God is absurd.  Now I must say the Penitential Rite because I am getting angry!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have great compassion for people who experience same-sex desires.  My family has a history of a predispostion towards alcoholism and depression, but for the grace of God these desires would have overtaken us, but His Grace is sufficient.  But to say that God himself has deliberately given these desires to his people is beyond my understanding.  I would not be able to worship such a God which gives desires contrary to the design of my own body, causing much physical, emotional and spiritual pain.  Such a God is absurd.  Now I must say the Penitential Rite because I am getting angry!!</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry O'Brien</title>
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		<author>Gerry O'Brien</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>To Dave M. and Pauline:  DITTO, DITTO AND DITTO.
I am still at a loss to understand where Ingham comes up with such arrogance thoughts and interpretations.  Scripture is not that difficult to understand when one has the Holy Spirit to lead in the interpreting.....however, when one is led by the evil one, Scripture becomes twisted to meet the mind of the evil ones subject.  Obviously Ingham is well known and a great follower of the enemy.  I would pray for those that are of similar mind to Ingham in wanting to tear down a Church that once believed in the Supremacy of Scripture.  
If Primate Hiltz follows the path that he appears to be on, he will be no better than the TEC presiding bishop or Gene Robinson.....I would say this to ArchBishop Hiltz....turn from the path you are on or you will not be spending eternity where you think you will......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Dave M. and Pauline:  DITTO, DITTO AND DITTO.<br />
I am still at a loss to understand where Ingham comes up with such arrogance thoughts and interpretations.  Scripture is not that difficult to understand when one has the Holy Spirit to lead in the interpreting&#8230;..however, when one is led by the evil one, Scripture becomes twisted to meet the mind of the evil ones subject.  Obviously Ingham is well known and a great follower of the enemy.  I would pray for those that are of similar mind to Ingham in wanting to tear down a Church that once believed in the Supremacy of Scripture.<br />
If Primate Hiltz follows the path that he appears to be on, he will be no better than the TEC presiding bishop or Gene Robinson&#8230;..I would say this to ArchBishop Hiltz&#8230;.turn from the path you are on or you will not be spending eternity where you think you will&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PeterN</title>
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		<author>PeterN</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nothing about Bp. Ingham's response should elicit surprise.  Remember, this is the man who attempted to appear the cautious, faithful Bishop in first, hesitating to pass the motion to allow blessings to proceed in his diocese, and then , bowing to the will of the people in allowing them (the absurdity of course, is that Christianity is not a democracy but a theocracy - ie. a benevolent dictatorship).  The fact is that the original motion which precipitated this disaster should never have been allowed on the Synod floor in NW.  The bishop vows to adhere to the doctrine, discipline and practice of the Anglican Church of Canada when he/she is consecrated.  Nothing in the original motion fell within those parameters and so, the motion should have been out of order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing about Bp. Ingham&#8217;s response should elicit surprise.  Remember, this is the man who attempted to appear the cautious, faithful Bishop in first, hesitating to pass the motion to allow blessings to proceed in his diocese, and then , bowing to the will of the people in allowing them (the absurdity of course, is that Christianity is not a democracy but a theocracy - ie. a benevolent dictatorship).  The fact is that the original motion which precipitated this disaster should never have been allowed on the Synod floor in NW.  The bishop vows to adhere to the doctrine, discipline and practice of the Anglican Church of Canada when he/she is consecrated.  Nothing in the original motion fell within those parameters and so, the motion should have been out of order.</p>
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		<title>By: Malachy Egan</title>
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		<author>Malachy Egan</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Our star-crossed and inept Primate, his Grace, Archbishop Fred Hiltz, late incumbent of the Diocese of NS and PEI, now swims in shark infested waters.

Having shot himself in the foot with his New Year’s sermon delivered sanctimoniously from the pulpit in Ottawa, he continues in the same vein with another bunch of pastoral nonsense from the Anglican throne. Headlines in the Anglican Journal, which are usually reserved to beg for even more money for the Anglican hierarchy to waste indiscriminately, trump: "Archbishop Hiltz clarifies Canadian situation for fellow primates." Ho-hum!

Saying that he hoped to, "dispel rumour or misunderstanding," Hiltz, has written to his fellow leaders of the worldwide Anglican Communion explaining the developments around the blessing of same-sex unions, which has embroiled Canadian Anglicans in conflict. Sadly, rumours and misunderstanding are long gone and there’s nothing left to explain; on top of this, every Anglican that counts [with the exception of the usual fence-sitters] has already decided upon which side of the gaping schism they will stand. All that remains is to secure their personal niche or power-base in the new left or right wing bureaucracy, and to make sure that stipend, benefits and pension plan flow on without interruption!

In a pathetic attempt to shift the blame, Hiltz who is silent on the issue of his own sexual orientation, but an open supporter of Same Sex Blessings says, Canadian Anglicans, "Do live in a country where the federal government in 2005 approved legislation that allows the marriage of same-gender couples." So what? Any move to reduce the persecution of minorities is good; however, this has sweet Fanny Adams to do with the Anglican Church of Canada.

The primate whimpers that it was "regrettable" that some Canadian Anglicans have chosen to leave the church despite the fact that the house of bishops had made "adequate and appropriate provision for the pastoral care and episcopal support of all members of our church, including those who find themselves in conscientious disagreement with the view of their bishop and synod" What a joke! Did you ever try to have an intellectual conversation with an Anglican bishop? What follows is a one-way script, entitled: "My way, or the highway!" And, never mind that the Anglican 'faithful' have been bailing out for close to fifty years now, and of the few who are left they are now choosing which Anglican church they will support in Canada.

Hiltz's main rival for the leadership of the left wing church is New Westminster, BC Archbishop Michael Ingham. Ingham, backed up by his longtime associate and faithful sidekick, the insidious Dean Peter Elliot [who publicly burned his bridges by coming out in England at the General Synod and thus can now only obtain the coveted crosier in a left wing church] have been working a group called The Chicago Consultation. This is an international group of about 50 Anglican leaders who met in Chicago in December 2007 to "build international coalitions and develop a strategy for the full inclusion of gay and lesbian Christians in the life of the church." This group have recently, called upon the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, to invite Bishop Gene Robinson of New Hampshire [who lives with a male partner] as a full participant to the 2008 Lambeth Conference. Participants, including the devious Ingham, also voiced opposition to the concept of an Anglican covenant that would create a centralized governing body with authority over member churches for the first time in the Anglican Communion's history.

Right Rev Gene Robinson, who is divorced [from a heterosexual partner, who like so many Anglican priests he presumably married as a smoke screen 'back then,'] now lives openly in partnership with a gay man. Robinson said, somewhat hypocritically, that he found it mystifying that the mother Church of the Anglican Communion was unable to be honest about the number of gay clergy in its ranks. 
He added that many of the Anglican Church's clergy lived openly in their rectories with gay partners, with the full knowledge of their bishops. But he criticized the stance of bishops who threaten the clergy with enmity should their relationships become public. Robinson indicated that if the gay and lesbian priests were to leave, then the church would be virtually shut down.

Fascinating stuff, and of course while all this is taking place the rabid right wing is not sitting on its hands either here in Canada, or worldwide.

Well, Taffy Williams of "The Reversible Chasuble and the Closet at Lambeth Palace" fame is not going to be happy with any of this: he's got enough problems with his own rather tragic flip-flop image, caused by the usual hypocrisy and lack of personal honesty one might reasonably surmise.

The underlying issues and the absolute hypocrisy that surrounds this schism are quite tragic. Firstly, the Anglican Church has always had a predominance of gay [and lately] lesbian priests, albeit that the great majority of them are way in the back of the dark recesses of the proverbial closet; to the point where many continue vainly to attempt to cloak their sexual orientation by adopting the appearances of a heterosexual lifestyle.

The foregoing is bad enough: can we not just be honest about who we are, but what is even worse, and in my opinion unforgivable, is the utter waste of millions and millions of charitable dollars on the gay blessings issue and the resulting schism. Of course, this schism is only marginally about gay and lesbian people: the main issue is power, control, property, ecclesiastical position and the personal lifestyle of the princes and princesses of the church like Hiltz and Ingham. These vain, egotistical and hypocritical men, and now women, continue to gouge huge amounts of charitable dollars from the Anglican faithful, and then proceed to splurge it on themselves and to waste it on an institution [the ACC] that has moved so far in practice from the program of Jesus of Nazareth that it is no longer a Christian church.

I wonder what Jesus thinks? Just for the record, Jesus said many things; however, the foundation of his program was actually very simple: "Love God with all of your heart and love your neighbour as yourself."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our star-crossed and inept Primate, his Grace, Archbishop Fred Hiltz, late incumbent of the Diocese of NS and PEI, now swims in shark infested waters.</p>
<p>Having shot himself in the foot with his New Year’s sermon delivered sanctimoniously from the pulpit in Ottawa, he continues in the same vein with another bunch of pastoral nonsense from the Anglican throne. Headlines in the Anglican Journal, which are usually reserved to beg for even more money for the Anglican hierarchy to waste indiscriminately, trump: &#8220;Archbishop Hiltz clarifies Canadian situation for fellow primates.&#8221; Ho-hum!</p>
<p>Saying that he hoped to, &#8220;dispel rumour or misunderstanding,&#8221; Hiltz, has written to his fellow leaders of the worldwide Anglican Communion explaining the developments around the blessing of same-sex unions, which has embroiled Canadian Anglicans in conflict. Sadly, rumours and misunderstanding are long gone and there’s nothing left to explain; on top of this, every Anglican that counts [with the exception of the usual fence-sitters] has already decided upon which side of the gaping schism they will stand. All that remains is to secure their personal niche or power-base in the new left or right wing bureaucracy, and to make sure that stipend, benefits and pension plan flow on without interruption!</p>
<p>In a pathetic attempt to shift the blame, Hiltz who is silent on the issue of his own sexual orientation, but an open supporter of Same Sex Blessings says, Canadian Anglicans, &#8220;Do live in a country where the federal government in 2005 approved legislation that allows the marriage of same-gender couples.&#8221; So what? Any move to reduce the persecution of minorities is good; however, this has sweet Fanny Adams to do with the Anglican Church of Canada.</p>
<p>The primate whimpers that it was &#8220;regrettable&#8221; that some Canadian Anglicans have chosen to leave the church despite the fact that the house of bishops had made &#8220;adequate and appropriate provision for the pastoral care and episcopal support of all members of our church, including those who find themselves in conscientious disagreement with the view of their bishop and synod&#8221; What a joke! Did you ever try to have an intellectual conversation with an Anglican bishop? What follows is a one-way script, entitled: &#8220;My way, or the highway!&#8221; And, never mind that the Anglican &#8216;faithful&#8217; have been bailing out for close to fifty years now, and of the few who are left they are now choosing which Anglican church they will support in Canada.</p>
<p>Hiltz&#8217;s main rival for the leadership of the left wing church is New Westminster, BC Archbishop Michael Ingham. Ingham, backed up by his longtime associate and faithful sidekick, the insidious Dean Peter Elliot [who publicly burned his bridges by coming out in England at the General Synod and thus can now only obtain the coveted crosier in a left wing church] have been working a group called The Chicago Consultation. This is an international group of about 50 Anglican leaders who met in Chicago in December 2007 to &#8220;build international coalitions and develop a strategy for the full inclusion of gay and lesbian Christians in the life of the church.&#8221; This group have recently, called upon the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, to invite Bishop Gene Robinson of New Hampshire [who lives with a male partner] as a full participant to the 2008 Lambeth Conference. Participants, including the devious Ingham, also voiced opposition to the concept of an Anglican covenant that would create a centralized governing body with authority over member churches for the first time in the Anglican Communion&#8217;s history.</p>
<p>Right Rev Gene Robinson, who is divorced [from a heterosexual partner, who like so many Anglican priests he presumably married as a smoke screen &#8216;back then,&#8217;] now lives openly in partnership with a gay man. Robinson said, somewhat hypocritically, that he found it mystifying that the mother Church of the Anglican Communion was unable to be honest about the number of gay clergy in its ranks.<br />
He added that many of the Anglican Church&#8217;s clergy lived openly in their rectories with gay partners, with the full knowledge of their bishops. But he criticized the stance of bishops who threaten the clergy with enmity should their relationships become public. Robinson indicated that if the gay and lesbian priests were to leave, then the church would be virtually shut down.</p>
<p>Fascinating stuff, and of course while all this is taking place the rabid right wing is not sitting on its hands either here in Canada, or worldwide.</p>
<p>Well, Taffy Williams of &#8220;The Reversible Chasuble and the Closet at Lambeth Palace&#8221; fame is not going to be happy with any of this: he&#8217;s got enough problems with his own rather tragic flip-flop image, caused by the usual hypocrisy and lack of personal honesty one might reasonably surmise.</p>
<p>The underlying issues and the absolute hypocrisy that surrounds this schism are quite tragic. Firstly, the Anglican Church has always had a predominance of gay [and lately] lesbian priests, albeit that the great majority of them are way in the back of the dark recesses of the proverbial closet; to the point where many continue vainly to attempt to cloak their sexual orientation by adopting the appearances of a heterosexual lifestyle.</p>
<p>The foregoing is bad enough: can we not just be honest about who we are, but what is even worse, and in my opinion unforgivable, is the utter waste of millions and millions of charitable dollars on the gay blessings issue and the resulting schism. Of course, this schism is only marginally about gay and lesbian people: the main issue is power, control, property, ecclesiastical position and the personal lifestyle of the princes and princesses of the church like Hiltz and Ingham. These vain, egotistical and hypocritical men, and now women, continue to gouge huge amounts of charitable dollars from the Anglican faithful, and then proceed to splurge it on themselves and to waste it on an institution [the ACC] that has moved so far in practice from the program of Jesus of Nazareth that it is no longer a Christian church.</p>
<p>I wonder what Jesus thinks? Just for the record, Jesus said many things; however, the foundation of his program was actually very simple: &#8220;Love God with all of your heart and love your neighbour as yourself.&#8221;</p>
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		<author>Ellie M.</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"Hiltz who is silent on the issue of his own sexual orientation"

Actually he's been married to the same woman for 30 years.  Lots of heterosexuals support same sex marriage.

The question is whether the Church is obligated to follow the social trends of secular society.  That is where Hiltz and I disagree.  And it is a fundamental disagreement.</description>
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<p>Actually he&#8217;s been married to the same woman for 30 years.  Lots of heterosexuals support same sex marriage.</p>
<p>The question is whether the Church is obligated to follow the social trends of secular society.  That is where Hiltz and I disagree.  And it is a fundamental disagreement.</p>
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		<title>By: Malachy Egan</title>
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		<author>Malachy Egan</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ellie M.

I know about married bishops and clergymen: I do not want to burst your bubble, or to offer harm to any individual, but 30 plus years ago it was normal to cloak one's true sexual orientation within a heterosexual marriage and to have children too.

Take the case of the Right Rev Gene Robinson for example!

I agree that lots of heterosexuals support same sex marriage; however, the continued hypocrisy [Robinson speaks to this issue too] is a pathetic sham.

Did you read my post I wonder?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellie M.</p>
<p>I know about married bishops and clergymen: I do not want to burst your bubble, or to offer harm to any individual, but 30 plus years ago it was normal to cloak one&#8217;s true sexual orientation within a heterosexual marriage and to have children too.</p>
<p>Take the case of the Right Rev Gene Robinson for example!</p>
<p>I agree that lots of heterosexuals support same sex marriage; however, the continued hypocrisy [Robinson speaks to this issue too] is a pathetic sham.</p>
<p>Did you read my post I wonder?</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<author>Warren</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 21:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Malachy (#9), unless Ellie uses an RSS reader (and I doubt that most readers of this blog do), I suspect your response is about three months and three weeks too late.  It's just the way blogs work.</description>
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