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	<title>Comments on: General Synod morning session 25/6/07</title>
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		<title>By: Magic Statistics - &#8220;I accept no responsibility for statistics, which are a form of magic beyond my comprehension.&#8221; &#8212; Robertson Davies &#187; Anglican Journal tries to make New Westminster look good</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magic Statistics - &#8220;I accept no responsibility for statistics, which are a form of magic beyond my comprehension.&#8221; &#8212; Robertson Davies &#187; Anglican Journal tries to make New Westminster look good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 04:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] why did New Westminster abruptly withdraw that resolution after General Synod voted against authorising same-sex blessings?&#160; If you&#039;ve made your [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] why did New Westminster abruptly withdraw that resolution after General Synod voted against authorising same-sex blessings?&nbsp; If you&#39;ve made your [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Grant B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re B001
I am glad B001 did not go ahead but I suspepect Bsp. Michael Ingham withdrew the resolution in order to avoid any specific ruling that would prevent him from performing same sex blessings. Bsp. Ingham is a master at spinning ambiguity in his favor. So I expect he will continue doing whatever he wants anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re B001<br />
I am glad B001 did not go ahead but I suspepect Bsp. Michael Ingham withdrew the resolution in order to avoid any specific ruling that would prevent him from performing same sex blessings. Bsp. Ingham is a master at spinning ambiguity in his favor. So I expect he will continue doing whatever he wants anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HOW could we possibly demote the importance of Provincial Synods given the confusion that reigns at this General Synod?! I&#039;m not opposed to redefining boundaries for Provincial Synods if needed, but to illiminate them in favour of General Synod? How will our voices ever be heard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOW could we possibly demote the importance of Provincial Synods given the confusion that reigns at this General Synod?! I&#8217;m not opposed to redefining boundaries for Provincial Synods if needed, but to illiminate them in favour of General Synod? How will our voices ever be heard?</p>
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		<title>By: Ric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;not ‘common worship texts revision’ but rather ‘revision of our contemporary language worship text and the creation of fresh worship expressions’&#8221;  &#8230;.that opens a frightening door</p>
<p>and another potential windfall for the book publishers facing an already saturated market with the BAS. Again take a look at the loot flowing into the coffers with the Lutherans new book Oct 06 when there was really nothing wrong with their LBW 1978.</p>
<p>re Solemn Decl of 1893 I am somewhat confused over what they did with it (to it) dumped, relegated or sent off to a cmttee to be disposed of quietly in private?</p>
<p>by getting rid of &#8216;historical&#8217; documents they not only rid themselves of possible appeals to precedent (part of common law tradition) but also to the content of the documents ie in this case to Scriptural bases, creeds and ecumenical councils&#8230;.and then they talk about &#8220;core&#8221; values and defending them to the last mouse pad.</p>
<p>another twist in that is valuing communion with the rest of Anglicanism &amp; Canterbury and then disposing of the document which outlines it.</p>
<p>But then we already have a good idea of the value these people have on that score.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A189 Change to the Marriage Canon this study of the rationale to allow the marriage of all legally eligible people is the new focus of the liberal camp.  It will take two sessions of General Synod to accomplish, but the passing of this resolution opens the door to a change in the Marriage Canon 21 at the General Synods in 2010 and 2013 to allow Same Sex Marriages.

This is the new plan and strategy of the liberals.  This is totally against everything Scripture says about Marriage and as such is an abomination in the sight of Almighty God.  It is also a way of getting 
Synod to approve Same Sex Blessings as a compromise for not moving to a full Marriage of Homosexuals and Lesbians.  However, we all know that the liberal element in our church wants to get in step with society and follow society&#039;s lead rather than to do what the Church has always done down through the ages to stand over against society and to recall society to the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ rather than to water down the Gospel in an attempt to make it more palatable to society.  When you water down the Gospel message in an attempt to make it more acceptable to our modern society, you make it more irrelevant and thus the church continues on its downward slide to oblivion.  The liberals have not recognized this because they are blind to the leading of the Holy Spirit and the Authority of Scripture.

May we all have the strength and fortitude to stand firm in our faith under the Lordship of Jesus Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit.
Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A189 Change to the Marriage Canon this study of the rationale to allow the marriage of all legally eligible people is the new focus of the liberal camp.  It will take two sessions of General Synod to accomplish, but the passing of this resolution opens the door to a change in the Marriage Canon 21 at the General Synods in 2010 and 2013 to allow Same Sex Marriages.</p>
<p>This is the new plan and strategy of the liberals.  This is totally against everything Scripture says about Marriage and as such is an abomination in the sight of Almighty God.  It is also a way of getting<br />
Synod to approve Same Sex Blessings as a compromise for not moving to a full Marriage of Homosexuals and Lesbians.  However, we all know that the liberal element in our church wants to get in step with society and follow society&#8217;s lead rather than to do what the Church has always done down through the ages to stand over against society and to recall society to the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ rather than to water down the Gospel in an attempt to make it more palatable to society.  When you water down the Gospel message in an attempt to make it more acceptable to our modern society, you make it more irrelevant and thus the church continues on its downward slide to oblivion.  The liberals have not recognized this because they are blind to the leading of the Holy Spirit and the Authority of Scripture.</p>
<p>May we all have the strength and fortitude to stand firm in our faith under the Lordship of Jesus Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit.<br />
Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 points.
I agree with #7 Gerry about change of name, but step further. I can&#039;t say Church in reference to this organization anymore without a sour taste in my mouth.
Does A189 mean we finally have their true agenda out in the open?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 points.<br />
I agree with #7 Gerry about change of name, but step further. I can&#8217;t say Church in reference to this organization anymore without a sour taste in my mouth.<br />
Does A189 mean we finally have their true agenda out in the open?</p>
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		<title>By: tsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>tsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the official tally sheet still hasn&#039;t updated the passage of a189 you report right at the beginning of this post, or the withdrawal of b001. I missed the beginning of the session, so heard nothing on these. Any explanation why they aren&#039;t updated on the tally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the official tally sheet still hasn&#8217;t updated the passage of a189 you report right at the beginning of this post, or the withdrawal of b001. I missed the beginning of the session, so heard nothing on these. Any explanation why they aren&#8217;t updated on the tally?</p>
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		<title>By: Jude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That may have been Federation info. Network has the same mailing address but different phone/email</p>
<p>Anglican Network in Canada<br />
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Tel.: 1-866-351-ANIC (2642)<br />
E-Mail: <a href="mailto:info@anglicannetwork.ca">info@anglicannetwork.ca</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archa,<br />
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reviewing various newspaper articles on the outcome of yesterday&#039;s vote, I&#039;m beginning to think that there is some wiggle room in this strange solution.  Not against &quot;core doctrine&quot; means that SSB does transgress non-credal, 39-Article type doctrine, especially with regards to marriage.  Blocking SSB blessings is a victory for the conservative side, albeit a hollow one.  It is seen as a temporary setback by the liberals - it will return until &quot;the Bishops are converted&quot; (Ingham).  

We&#039;re in an undecided situation, much like the results of the last federal election that fortells years of minority governments.  Yet only 57% of lay were for the motion, and 54% of clergy, not over 60% or 66%.  Did the bishops conspire to have 48% for, 52% against?  The swing vote was Victoria Matthews, over the core doctrine issue - this looks too much of a coincidence for the chairman of the St. Michael&#039;s committee to act this way.  Looks like organization, in a funny way.

Perhaps the Lord would have us wait in a steady state of indecision indefinitely!  (The Lord is not the author of confusion?  (1 Cor 14:33)  I wish we could hear from the prophets!) This apparent chaos could be seen as a via media - a statement to the world that we as a church are conflicted, wrestling with conflicting views on how to read scripture and how to carry out His mandate in this world.  Law versus freedom, love versus literalism, flexibility versus doctrinal backbone?  It shows that doctrine can&#039;t really be decided in this case by majority vote - the Holy Spirit must give us consensus, a shared view, something apparently not possible in human terms.  Like protracted discussions over native issues, you can&#039;t solve this problem in a day or a few years - we can expect this to stretch out for years, so we learn to live with it - the church in post-modern times.  It would seem to me that the split would be a worse solution than the attempt to live together and wait for God&#039;s solution of this issue.  He can do it - we can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reviewing various newspaper articles on the outcome of yesterday&#8217;s vote, I&#8217;m beginning to think that there is some wiggle room in this strange solution.  Not against &#8220;core doctrine&#8221; means that SSB does transgress non-credal, 39-Article type doctrine, especially with regards to marriage.  Blocking SSB blessings is a victory for the conservative side, albeit a hollow one.  It is seen as a temporary setback by the liberals &#8211; it will return until &#8220;the Bishops are converted&#8221; (Ingham).  </p>
<p>We&#8217;re in an undecided situation, much like the results of the last federal election that fortells years of minority governments.  Yet only 57% of lay were for the motion, and 54% of clergy, not over 60% or 66%.  Did the bishops conspire to have 48% for, 52% against?  The swing vote was Victoria Matthews, over the core doctrine issue &#8211; this looks too much of a coincidence for the chairman of the St. Michael&#8217;s committee to act this way.  Looks like organization, in a funny way.</p>
<p>Perhaps the Lord would have us wait in a steady state of indecision indefinitely!  (The Lord is not the author of confusion?  (<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Cor+14%3A33" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Cor 14:33">1 Cor 14:33</a>)  I wish we could hear from the prophets!) This apparent chaos could be seen as a via media &#8211; a statement to the world that we as a church are conflicted, wrestling with conflicting views on how to read scripture and how to carry out His mandate in this world.  Law versus freedom, love versus literalism, flexibility versus doctrinal backbone?  It shows that doctrine can&#8217;t really be decided in this case by majority vote &#8211; the Holy Spirit must give us consensus, a shared view, something apparently not possible in human terms.  Like protracted discussions over native issues, you can&#8217;t solve this problem in a day or a few years &#8211; we can expect this to stretch out for years, so we learn to live with it &#8211; the church in post-modern times.  It would seem to me that the split would be a worse solution than the attempt to live together and wait for God&#8217;s solution of this issue.  He can do it &#8211; we can&#8217;t.</p>
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